A lot of people disagree with me, but theres TONS of good music out there. If our lack of faith prevented Him from acting, then nobody could be saved ever. We are not a spirit that has a soul and is living in a body. The problem is not, and has never been, the people. Now take a look at what Furtick says about these events: The power of God was in Jesus, the healing power of God, the restoring power of God, the same power that made demons flee was in Nazareth, but Jesus could not release it. In human terms though there are also single entities being comprised of multiple persons, and I think this gets us closer to a useful analogy. Tony, I know you dont need a cheering section or anything, but I cant help it when you make points I have been saying for years. Furtick is pastor of Elevation Church, a megachurch in Charlotte, N.C., with a weekly attendance of about 20,000, whose ministry has generated much controversy in recent years. "When we first started the church, we couldn't get people over 40 to stay around for anything," Furtick said. If you need a hand working through these issues, Im here to help. Ignite Gods Vision for Your Life. It seems we agree. Ill address your use of Acts 5:38-39 first. I find John 5:2-15 to be the Achilles heal for Andrew Womack and his ilk. I am then always in the middle of each passage and then God is not being served. You could even, at that point, ask another question: What would you say to someone who teaches modalism? and What would you say to someone who listens to modalist teachers?. The word in Romans 10:9 thats translated you will be saved is a verb. He started in Lenox, MA and fled the area (for legal reasons) and continued to move around the country ultimately settling again in Baltimore, MD. Hindus will need you to specify which god youre asking about. There were plenty of people that Jesus never healed. In relation to his saying; I sought the Lord three times, that it might depart from me., I then think of the woman who followed Paul around bugging him to no end, repeatedly saying; These men are servants of the most High God, Acts 16:16-18, were in he handled that spirit, commanding it to come out of her in the name of Jesus, yet not this one, again, (because he knew the purpose); lest I be exalted above measure. Your James reference you switched up, 1:3 should be 3:1 . Crash The Chatterbox: Hearing Gods Voice Above All Others. A very simple way to assess anyones belief system is to ask them about the nature of God. Of course, youve already made up your mind. For the wages of sin is penance, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. When Jehovahs Witnesses talk about Jesus, theyre using words that sound the same, but have a different meaning. Why imperfect? Thank you for writing this. He is the sustainer of the universe. Most people get defensive about things, and dig their hole even deeper. The Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world. Youre right Steven Furtick doesnt seem like a womanizer or a manipulator. From Ligonier (https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/obstacle-unbelief). Finally, suggesting that he may be engaging in circumincessionism doesnt necessarily make things better, or more orthodox. Scientist still do not know what holds the molecules together, but interesting the word says; by him (Jesus) all things hold together. I just want the truth which I believe I can only find through prayer, study and revelation. Good question. (RNS) A Southern Baptist megachurch pastor in North Carolina, already under fire for buying a $1.6 million house, is in the spotlight again . Again, this was why Jesus said; According to your faith be it unto you. Theres no question that all three persons are God. Hi there! In the meantime, let me know how I can help. Yes, that. May God have mercy on him, his family, his church, friends, associates, and all who listen to him. Steven Furtick is an interesting person, a gifted communicator, and probably a pretty nice guy. Yeah never: His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. For example, the Father sent the Son (1 John 4:14). Its not about Steven Furtick, but about the fact that he teaches unbiblical ideas in the name of Jesus Christ. You said you could not find any Bible that translates it in any other way than did., yet CEB says; Let me know if you have any questions. Heres the order from Scripture: One would think they know God better than we do. When Furtick preaches, he's apt to refer to a TV show as well as a biblical scene. [21] Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, [22] And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. The gospel is the power of God unto salvation, but then it is to every one that believes, Rom. Yes. He likes to hear them and I think most people are that way. Unless we can become so unified that we actually indwell one another, I would suggest a less mystical reading of John 17. Elevation Church broadcasts live every weekend and on demand throughout the week on ElevationChurch.online Join us Sundays at 9:30AM, 11:30AM, 2:00PM, 5:00PM, 8:00PM, & 10:00PM ET Learn More Featured Offer We are as youre aware saved by grace, through faith and this is NOT from ourselves, it is the gift of God. Even those who receive the gospel with joy may fall away. Unfortunately for him and the many thousands (or millions) who hear him teach, sincerity is largely irrelevant. If you need clarification to answer it that simply, Ill be happy to clarify but it seems simple: Do you, in any sense, have power over God? The question isnt whether any teacher is right about some things. Just as you control what you say, God sent forth by His living Word what HE was saying. He draws us to Himself, or we could not be saved. The doctrine of the Trinity comes from the Bible. The only one who has the right to say if Im a true man of God is God himself, and if I wasnt called by God I will fall. I really do appreciate this discussion. Is that godliness? Jesus did say that the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth. Then in John 1:12 this power is received by faith, then in Ephesians 3:7 this gift of grace is through working of his power. "I got married after my freshman year of college, and gave birth to my first daughter shortly after. They elevate men and demote God, and this really is a good example of it. The Father existed, and the Son existed, and the Holy Spirit existed, before anything was created. As for; , our lack of faith cannot prevent Him from acting if He wants to, is partly right, as the word says he wants to,; What is wrong with saying; the power is in us, that we are the ones who determine whether were healed, and that God has already provided healing for all believers but we have to manifest it by faith? He draws us to Himself. While you (and I, at times) focus only on salvation, Jesus did not. What happens when the group that created your favorite worship song comes to town and gives a concert, and teaches and preaches throughout the concert? You say, it is not a logical and biblical explanation that He chooses to act under certain circumstances, and to not act in others, as God is not the author of confusion. With respect, you really havent thought this through. Thanks. Unfortunately, Furtick gets this one wrong. Also who died and left you in charge of judging anyone? Second, Jesus did not set the Law aside, and He did not break the Law. I actually tell how life really is and tell my own fears and struggles that people can actually relate to. This describes his nature, just as soul the combination of body and spirit describes ours. If the truth matters, then repeating the errors of others is also a problem. In researching these topics, Ive heard a LOT that I appreciated, and have been inspired by even those who are otherwise far from the truth. I dont want to write about false teachers, my friend. Where is the Holy Spirit conviction , wheres the guidance of the Holy Spirit ? Wommack, as you point out, teaches that we can limit God. Certainly Gods actions are, at times, conditional. Contrary to what they teach, the Bible clearly teaches there is nothing that prevents God from doing what He wants to do. Seems like a foundational idea on which other bad ideas are built. The Holy Spirit came out from inside the Father? No, I get that it would be rough if others out here in cyberspace land could write at the same length, yet all I ask is that you follow same, be equitable . Furtick is one of those. Heres Furtick, talking about Gods encounter with Moses in the wilderness: When God said I Am to Moses, you know, my name is I Am, He was trying to get him to see you are as I am. Yes, I agree with everything you said. ElevationChurch.Online is the online experience for Elevation Church, led by Pastor Steven Furtick and broadcasting from Charlotte, NC. Heres a quote from Furtick for your consideration: Do you agree with Steven Furtick on this matter? Do you agree with Furtick that God is a molecular structure that fills all in all? While this, by itself, is not necessary heretical, its silly. I am sick on my stomach and disgusted by your interpretation or misinterpretation of Gods chosen disciple. We are in our late 30s, I was raised Pentecostal in a preachers household and my husband raised Baptist. I hope youll take all of this in the spirit in which it was written: from one brother to another, with respect, and even a little fun. If you declare with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Its not always wrong or bad, but its a good way to run into trouble. When Paul wrote that he was glad that the gospel was being preached, he pointed to the fact that the gospel was being preached for personal gain. For mature, well-educated believers, there is less danger than for others. And as Im reading your comments. Pastor Furtick is one of the chosen. I want to be discerning. No, that cant be the way to identify false teachers. My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working. He said if you listen to the Word and dont do it, youre like a man who looks at himself in a mirror in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God my Maker is my mirror. The reason people are taught that we cant understand the trinity is that we cant. The son is NOT the Father, nor is He the Spirit. If they disobeyed, He would curse them. Then, as you point out, God graciously blesses humanity with all kinds of things that have nothing to do with His approval. (sorry for the all caps, sometimes I get carried away. Jesus said the HolySpirit proceeds from the Father. Ill ask you straight out: do you believe that your own lack of faith in God PREVENTS HIM from anything at all? If God broke the Law, justice has not been done. They did bad things, and no amount of awesomeness in the lives of their children can turn their crimes into blessings. The Word of God also describes Jesus in these ways: >> Jesus Himself said that HE and the Father would indwell us. Second: who does it apply to? Im not chastising you, but making a point for all to see that the text is our source, and our interpretations should be entirely dependent on the text. They dont use sober judgment. Its hard, because some of the music IS good. Accept it and leave the rest to Father God. As for healing, heres some of what false teacher Andrew Wommack says and none of it matches what we see in the Bible: Unfortunately, thats a big fat NOPE. Multnomah Books. Would you bring an unsaved friend to an Elevation concert? All I know is what God has done in my life."'. I too get tired of the nonsense, and the focus on secondary issues, and on the desire to be entertaining rather than edifying. Unfortunately, his father passed away on 5 June 2013, at the age of 60 years as he was suffering from Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS). You can SAY that youre right, but you cant responsibly use Scripture to show that youre right. We shouldnt reject our weaker brothers and sisters but we shouldnt join them in their weaker faith, either. I guess thats why people thought of the three states of water, clover leaf, etc. If justice is ignored, God is not who He claims to be. As another scripture that captures this faith concept is Jesus saying; According to your faith be it unto you. Matthew 9:29. There is no other God before Him, neither would there be one formed after Him. Again, he seems to have passed up the opportunity to clarify that his words werent intended to contradict Scripture. Thanks for writing! Thanks again. It is not OUR FAITH that allows us to be healed. Elevation Church was founded by Furtick in 2006 with just fourteen members. You have to get past looking at your sickness and thinking about your sickness, and you have to start seeing yourself well. (He is now listed as a co-writer of the songs from Elevation Worship, his churchs music team. Thats wise. First, what looks like a blessing may simply be something we like not something God has done to bless us. Sometimes, letting go makes space for growth.In Permission To Quit, Pastor Steven Furtick reminds us to not let our limitations block our potential.#elevationchurch #stevenfurtick #permissiontoquit #dothenewyou #growth #quitting #identity #freedom #change #grace #strength #perseverance #church #pastorstevenfurtick #2023sermonTo support this ministry and help us continue to reach people all around the world click here:http://www.elevationchurch.org/giving/If youve just made a decision for Christ, please respond HERE: http://ele.vc/tIepfrThis sermon is also available in Spanish (@elevationespanol): https://youtu.be/Ff-ll19JvH8Don't stop here! Too often its in spite of what he teaches. If eternal life matters (and it does), then teaching and preaching the truth about God matters. Im struggling with whether I am making a mountain out of a mole hill, or whether Im being discerning. 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