The car has lost complete power and now I the drive train malfunction light on, engine light on, low oil pressure light on. 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Thank You very much for the reply !! But that is all. unfortunately info on this N20 is almost none exist at best. Exhaust Camshaft: Installation faulty. I just purchased a 2016 228i xDrive Cabriolet (manufactured in Germany) with 46k kilometers for my wife. Was it how the faults were cleared that made the difference? should I buy timing lock kit to lock the cams and cranksshaft in place? The production date of the car was 2015-11-17. I checked the timing chain, it looks fine. But thats not what happened. I have ISTA-D and scared the following codes. Today I drove it 20 miles to several stores and it worked fine. Emissions Warranty coverage that applies. I called the mechanic he said it was a fault related to the emissions. Loaner vehicle was included. still the same problem. Charging pressure control: Switch-off as consequence Not a good sign, had the same thing happen on 2013 X3. The engine sounds exactly the same as the first time it started after the timing chain installation. Yes, for mine BMW was due to a fault to the timing chain tensioner. Andreas first and foremost thank you for sharing your knowledge. Other engines may have this same scenario, but it's not typical. SHAME ON BMW!!!!! Or anything else you have come across? SB-10053485-8362 The warrantee was in place until 2019. The engine is running rough at idle. Rather it is no cost extended warranty in Canada. Is there a or way trick to clear the code without seeing a mechanic or using a code reader?ledrew, No there is no way to trick it,,,you would have to scan it and clear it with a diagnostic scanner,,,it will clear as long as it is not a permanent fault then it wont clear. Now getting error 131501. Today my engine shut off while I was driving. It appears to be a relatively simple, .5 hr swap. Reprogram the vehicle ISTA/P 2.51.0 or higher. Reduced power" warning, 745i 2002 - Engine Malfunction - reduced power, If this is your first visit, be sure to BMW Fault Code Lookup Enter a BMW fault code (P or hex), complete the Captcha, and click "Search" P-Codes will start with a P and are usually generated by generic scanners. Thoughts?? This TC issue really is so unfortunate, at a time when BMWAG is behind upstart like Tesla and old foes like Audi. Now I'm getting the drivetrain malfunction every time I start my car. 2013 X3 N20 28i. Hello question I have 428xi n26 sulev f32 and I was looking at my key reader report and where it says Software version/updates section: I-level current integration level of vehicle F020-19-07-539. What are related problems? The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. My 2013 328i was doing the same thing. The timing chain & guides are bathed in engine oil, not fuel. N20/N26 is an attemptof BMWAG to reclaim 4-cylinder glory from the past, e.g. The car started fine the first time and every time since. Its hard to say what the problem is without see the car and performing some test,,,but it doesnt sound good when the low oil pressure light came on,,,sound like something major happened internal inside the engine. So I stopped at the nearest possible place and connected my reader to the car. The old oil filter was stuck onto the basket. Thanks again. Do I have to buy the extended warranty to get the timing chain replaced by BMW or the 7/70 warranty is for all bmw? Dash lights up with transmission gear exclamation point and lift ramp both in yellow. Look into loose connectors. Any thoughts!!! Well, you could, but it's a slim chance you get the length of the rod exactly right. What symptoms and codes might you get if your timing chain had failed? Code 131501 Variable camshaft timing control VANOS intake cold start- not controllable If so, can I buy the warranty for the used car now? 131908-VANOS inlet: cold start, Position not reached. If so, can i buy the warranty for a used car now? This situation can occur as a customer complaint, or after performing There are locking pins integrated inside the units. There can typically be a ton of different. Hi, I recently bought a 2012 X1 xDrive28i. They also included a video from the technician. Code 131501 returned. Hi bmw technician. Hi greatings from Norway i have also a Bmw 320i GT-xdrive with 97k-km i dont hear any winning on the chain.I dont find in your list f34 320i Gt from 07.2013 that means that is not afected or just is not on the list i called allso BMW-and they said that my car is not on the extendet waranty list.Im verry stresed with this timming chain issue every time when i go on the car i listen to the engine is like ridding a time bomb.I am paning to change the timming chain at 150k-km even if is not making the noise.And whi there so many 328i afected and 320i not does it matter if mine is a xdrive?does the chain is more under load fi the care is x-drive? So just saw this in the nick of time. So your car software level is July of 2019,,,,this is when it was last updated,,,so your car has fairly new software. Enter the Chassis Number, Page 2 of 4 61 00 730 Refer to KSD2 Programming/encoding control unit(s) Hi, I have a 2014 BMW 428i X drive coupe. Four months later I got a drive train malfunction that turned on then went away after a day. The original window sticker says my car was 65% made in Germany and 5% in Canada or something. I am troubleshooting an issue with it already for weeks now and unfortunately I was not able to find the root cause yet. The oil and filter were changed along with the timing chain. As there is a known TSB and the solenoid is VVT. 120408 Intermittent Charging pressure control: switch-off as consequence No turnover on start at all. Thats important to know for later. Page 1 of 4 Hi, I have N20 with rough idle. 01-18-2020, 01:07 PM #2 mandd Autobahn East Join Date Hi bmwtechnician, It is still worth inquiring about at your local dealership. It definitely isnt a prominent/dangerous rattling sound like in the video Jack posted on Aug 30. also it has a start stall initially. They unlock only when oil pressure is applied. It is a total mystery (to me) as to why it works now. Question,,,what is a DME clone,,,,is it a used DME?,,,,or a aftermarket replacement DME. The VANOS cold start faults would reappear within 15 seconds of startup. 131501-VANOS inlet, cold start not consolable. I guess I can continue to enjoy the car and see what happens or sell it. U tell me, BMW my have a governor,,,but you still can over rev the engine,,,,it is a strange design that doesnt work,,,but I think BMW did this way so they can blame the customer for over reving the engine and not paying for a blown engine. Hey, 130f11 My engine is N52 Come join the discussion about Bimmerfest events, production numbers, programming, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Did they use a different timing chain guide before 06/2012 ? Yes go to the dealership and tell them about the issue and the bulletin. now I have a question for you and hoping to get a direction. One last question about dirty oil. I took it to the bmw for a diagnostic and they said that Im just better off replacing the engine than trying to find out what is wrong with the car. BMW wont tell us why some models have problems and some dont,,,,it could be because of horsepower,,,,,you could replace tensioner if you want,,,,,it wouldnt hurt anything, Thanks for the reply i think its 220i and 320i uses the exact engine N20 my F22 2014 car now has 105000kms since its not in the list , in general what do u advice me to do shall i just keep my ears alerted to sounds or u advise me to take to service center and maintain the chain so i can save the engine ? I've tested the soleniods and they are both good. This is a common issue on the N20 engine. F10, F25, F30, F31 and F34: Most auto repairs shops charge between $75 and $150 per hour. Previous posts of timing chain upgrade explains my experience. Hello did you ever resolve that issue? Ive change engine mount, spark plug, coil but problem is the same. Note that the desired angle was constant. Car start very well but no power and check engine light on code po52b. Ive search, alot of people have it problem but no solution.It dont like bmw :). Sorry I dont see any video,,,,ok when you say the starter and engine dont appear to make attempt to start,,,,,question does the engine turn over when you are trying to start the car,,,,,question does the engine make any sound when trying to start the car,,,if the engine does not turn over when trying to start car,,,,try and turn the engine by hand from the front lower crankshaft bolt and see if the engine will turn. i am getting the following error codes on my 2013 BMW X3 (107k miles): and as necessary I would love to listen to your video,,,please send it. Im getting error codes 120408 Charging Pressure Control: Switched off. Would you suspect this is more related to the software reprogram or is the timing off? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. He believes that its not enough oil pressure in the tensioner therefore is not tight as it should be. Changed the exhaust VANOS. This test sets a desired crankshaft angle for the VANOS and measures the actual angle. Im wondering do I need to have the 7/70 warranty to get BMW covered on this timing chain issue? F10, F25, F30, F31 and F34 But one of the passages might have had some trash in it. N20 cylinder block is made of aluminum with two balance shafts and steel-plated cylinders. It should show something like incorrect angle/position. everything in the vehicle works extremely well. How do you check the oil pressure? SI B12 15 13 No I dont think it is covered,,,and what lifetime of the vehicle are you talking about. 2: 12A701 Catalytic converter downstream oxygen sensor, electrical fault: circuit short to battery (+) Hi Andreas, This question has appeared in your blog before. Replace the solenoid that the code followed. https://youtu.be/Frj0a82XfDo, He did not notice any whining- but do you hear whining in this second video? Also, I keep getting this code P3195 Radiator coolant temperature signal stuck high, BMW fixed the radiator but this code keeps coming on and off, some days it stays on some days it doesnt stay on. 130108 Thanks for your time. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. iTrader: ( 0) After change chain tensioner - Drivetrain Malfunction. Thanks! F25 and it seems like they are about to settle this case on 9/2/2020. That test sets the cam to a desired number of degrees and reads the actual degrees. Its hard to say what the problem is with out hearing and driving the car,,,,I dont think the noise is timing chain because that makes a whining noise,,,the only leak could be a exhaust leak but you said the steering also shakes,,,have you had the tires and rims checked make sure rims are not bent,,,also check the rear transmission mount make sure they are not cracked or broken,,,also check the drive belt tensioner could be a problem. due to a low oil pressure and chain noise.now iam having inlet and outlet vanos dtc . I have a 2013 N20 engine in my X3 and want to remove the actuators to either clean or replace. If BMWNA does not fix this N20/N26 TC issue, a chunk of remaining faithfuls will deflect to other brands. The fault returns when its hot outside and comes back even faster when I turn on the air conditioning. Cleared the code, and restarted the engine, within . MODEL Loss of power and smoke on the exhaust when accelerating. 131501 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable 2D61 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, position not reached No car manufacturer is going to tell you the problems with their car,,,they are just worried about the sale of that car,,,,not what is wrong with that car. 2008 BMW 128I [0.00] Check engine light DTC 131501. test drove car, get a few codes. Now im getting vanos inlet, outlet codes, along with vanos camshaft jammed for both intake and exhaust. reference point is the same? E84 and E89: What is your opinion about the above? Yes it does not say no signal. How do I approach the dealer saying I hear a noise and whatnot for them to fix it while it is still under warranty? Ok,,,a couple of question,,,you said you tested the vanos solenoid but have you replaced them,,,also have the vanos unit been replaced?,,,,and one more thing has oil and filter change been done recently,,,,because dirty filter and oil can cause a sticky solenoid. This way I dont have to set up any timing if I do it one at the time. to model implausibly too high . Thank you, Rev match I say problem. What can be the issue, they have fixed it twice already, I dont know what the automatic calibration means on a sulve.,,,on this P3195 code that isnt a factory code so I dont know what it means,,,you said BMW fixed the radiator what did they do to the radiator,,,,did they replace it,,,,you could have a t-stat issue causing a temperature problem with the radiator,,,or a water pump issue,,,,I need BMW codes,,, not P codes. Yesterday I did get all the fault codes cleared. For reasons I dont understand the faults are cleared. I did not receive this bulletin to my knowledge, maybe because I am the 2nd owner of the car as of February 2019(?). If one of the applicable faults listed above is not stored in the DME fault memory then continue CenterNet / Aftersales Portal / Service / Workshop Technology / Vehicle Programming. Jul 8, 2020. The engine start ok. no misfiring. Dealer wants almost 300 euro to check the timing chain. If it is not on the list then it is not covered under that bulletin,,,but BMW does have some other programs,,,you need to go to the dealer and have your key remote reader performed and it will say if you are covered for any timing chain defects. Can the N20 Vanos valve be replaced through the actuator hole without removing the valve cover and locking the cams? Ive enjoyed your blog and I hope you will start posting again. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. I own a 2015 X1 with a manufacture date of April 2014. The boost control fault is caused by the vanos fault,,,you need to check into the the vanos faults to see whats going on. 131808 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached 2D5B VANOS, intake, control fault, position not reached has reduced power output. Stop and starting the car there is no difference. 3. Ok,,,if you have a sulve then you have a N26 which is ok,,,you need to tell the dealership that you hear a abnormal whine from the engine area and hopefully they do something about this timing chain issue. Defect Code: 11 36 01 96 00 This will likely be the first and last BMW I will ever own. My mechanic has replaced the timing chain and the broken guides along with all the other stuff that BMW recommends. It was somewhat cold today around 20 degrees. Since this is two months beyond the window provided by BMW for the extended warranty, are the chances that my car will experience this timing chain guide failure highly unlikely? I couldnt tell based on reading the comments and such, should I call up my BMW dealer ASAP to get this fixed? Specific eligible repairs may also be covered by the terms of the Federal, State or BMW Emissions N20 Vanos Solenoid Valve BMW tech info says the cams need to be locked down to remove the Vanos valve. Whether the engine is cold or warm, the VANOS faults appear within 15 seconds of startup. The details of the settlement if approved by court will extend timing chain and oil pump drive chain to 8 years/100000 miles(which ever comes first). The engine was low water damaged. Having the same. Disregard my question. Tried new battery. its really a shame that BMW does not step up. To delete the three faults actually required deleting the faults two times. I want to make sure this issue is fixed. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Im more concerned with the multiple vanos codes which happened after the fact. Thank you. I fear that your 2012 X1 is now past the 7 year warranty limit. The car is as we speak back to the dealer for further diagnose and they have seen a slight difference in the crankshaft position or something like that.. one of the shafts was not in the correct angle. bimmerfest.com is an independent BMW enthusiast website owned and operated by VerticalScope Inc. not have the latest software. if I have used the tool how it is possible no to be on timing ?! Wont restart. Did you hear anything like this before? I learned that if you touch the neg and positive battery cable together while the battery is disconnected it clears the light. Think I'll avoid this. This is not a recall. Now how I understand it is this is not a timing issue. It is really a shame that BMW does not communicate on the subject, especially since here in Europe the problem is not repeated while in the United States it seems widespread. The tensioner sometime start to malfunctioning due to lack of motor oil (it is actioned by the oil pressure). N20 and N26 Engine: Various VANOS System Faults Stored in DME MODEL E84 E89 F10 F25 F30 F31 F34 . I still have under 70k miles and not reached 7 years. I assume the tensioner is operated by oil pressure and its normal to feel some slack when the engine is not running? E89X-13 -11-505 for the E84 and E89 And is the tension just spring our does it rely on oil pressure as well? or Was it coincidental and maybe the bits of trash in the both VANOS spool valves cleared at the exact same time? The starter and engine appear to make no attempt to start. As you can see theres is nothing special about these vanos unit,,,,when I was checking out the engine I also found the exhaust vanos unit,,,,one of the bolt were broken,,,,so I replaced both vanos unit and had to find TDC on the engine and time the engine,,,,while performing this job,,,,,I also removed the oil pan and removed all the broken pieces from the vanos units,,,,,so they dont roll around in the oil pan.,,,,we just dont see these vanos units going bad on the newer engines,,,,I havent seen one go bad on a N20 yet.,,,,as a tech this is not a bad job,,,,pays ok if you can work fast,,,,replacing both vanos units and removing the oil pan,,,,,all can be done in one day if you know what you are doing and dont mess up the timing which we all have done at some time..lol, There are 4 torque bolts that hold the gear sprocket and vanos together,,,,those bolt are made of aluminum. It also features dual VANOS, valvetronic, and direct injection. 131401 vanos exhaust cold start not controllable The intake cam had the following desired/actual degrees: 0/-8, -20/-20, -10.4/-10, -20/-20 and -10.4/-10. Labor Operation: Labor Allowance: Description: Its hard to say without performing some test with a diagnostic equipment. Is this true? I know I might be looking at replacing Vanos Actuator, central valve or the whole vanos unit. Code 130308 VANOS Exhaust Control fault position reached Changed the oil filter and OIL. Warranty. Im wondering if I can just replace those bolts with new steel ones , my car is out of warranty and it has not develop any issues yet , but as precautionary measure I was wondering if this is possible? troubleshooting with the applicable test plan for the fault(s) stored. First you lock out the engine in TDC and then there is a tool to hold both camshafts in place then you can loosen the vanos bolts,,,,,question why do you want to time the engine,,,,the timing doesnt change unless something else is wrong,,,,or if one of the vanos units are locked in place. I have maintained it meticulously. One or more of the following faults is stored in the Yes you can check the oil pressure,,,also when the mechanic performed the timing chain repairs the oil pan was off and hopefully he checked the oil pump screen for and debris and cleaned it out. (not including CAS) Code 120408 Charging Pressure control Switch off as consequence 2D56 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached Together with my BMW dealership service history and my own service records there was no issues and the repair was completed within a few days. Sorry for the confusion, No, During highway driving the car drives fine. I tried to reset vanos with no success. I hate to take it to the junk yard. One customer describe his 2013 BMW F18 525Li with 61000km mileage got trouble.The car engine warning light on and central display "Transmission malfunction".But it can start engine and accelerate normally.More repair cases about BMW,please check here:BMW Trouble Repair Use BMW ISID to diagnose,got trouble code as below: Fault Code: 135401 Fault Explanation: Valvetronic: overloaded F025-13-07-506 for the F25 The BMW N20, introduced in 2011, was the first four-cylinder BMW engine to be sold in the North American market in over a decade. Had mechanic put on Autel code reader diagnostics and got 10 or so codes relating to things such as the dinamic stability control, fuel pump. Or maybe the fuel that would be implicated! and if necessary, also Neither the VANOS units nor the solenoids have been replaced. 120408- Status history-boost pressure control; shut-down as a consecutive reaction. Ive got a 2014 320i with 36,000 miles. THNX. 120408: Boost pressure control, cut off pressure rise blocked. Direksiyon kilidi/Kontak alteri BMW paralar 47738. It cannot be timing. Problem is, mine arent locked. Engine also has forged crankshaft with 4 counterweights that is installed with shift. It is possible without the timing tools, but if you risk needing to re-time the engine if something moves. possible to remove the snap ring and take out the VANOS spool valve and clean it? Hello BMW technician, I know there is a lawsuit going on with N20 timing chain in NJ District Court Thanks for the input, do you think dealership will take my picture as evidence and approve chain replacement? So far I reset it and it's gone and drove it like 30 miles but kinda worried . A service advisor at a reputable independent repair shop was concerned about the brief rattle/stutter (5 second mark) in this video upon ignition. It goes from 0 8 kpa and back to 0 will cranking do you have any idea what that reading should be on the fuel rail. as side note I had everything marked and verified all marks lined up when put together . E84 and E89: I realize that a limited amount of fuel can get into the oil as part of the combustion process, but I cant imagine that small amount breaking down plastic. The auto repair labor rates vary by location, your vehicle's make and model, and even your engine type. Car history: before selling the car last owner took it to BMW, changed oil and filters, rear tires and spark plugs. If the fault code for camshaft position sensor goes away or swaps position from intake to exhaust (or vice versa), the fault code is being caused by the VANOS solenoid. I took it to the dealership for a diagnostic test and check-up. If one of the applicable faults listed above is stored in the DME then continue with the 2013 BMW X1 E84 WITH N2O MOTOR 11400ML All wiring lines are good. Tried test with ista for vanos solenoid test removed solenoid stiff does not move when activated. Since the picture was taken by me not by the dealer. I got a few drivetrain malfunctions last week: 131501 vanos, intake, cold start; not adjustable 120408 reduced power mode. The actual angle also varied as in the previous test but on average was nearly equal to the desired angle. Can the timing chain issue be identified through scoping? Tried to read live camshaft sensors read ista says that currenty no data is sent from them to DME. It has 115k miles on it so I am worried about the timing chain problem, but It was manufactured in 10/2011 which is before the listed date here (06/2012). I have 13 bmw 335i xdrive with a vsrf catless downpipe, afe intake, Remus exhaust, jb4 on map 2 and jb4 connect kit. One other odd problem during this time was the oil level test did not work. CAUSE Cleaned spark plugs and as the mileage was 65000 so I changed the timing chain with a TOOL also. Coul it be timming change or leak some where? The engine was idling when it happened. Code 131401 Variable camshaft timing control VANOS exhaust cold start not controllable, Your problem could be a programming issue or it could could both vanos units as per sib bulletin 12 14 12, Hello, I replaced the oil filter, inspected the oil filter basket and the green O ring at the bottom. I have a f10 2013 528i x drive with 105k miles on it , The engine makes a rattling noise when cold and its not as loud when the car warms up but when driving at around 1-25 mph their is a whining noise coming from the engine. or can I slowly unscrew the center valve and insert a new one? The VANOS solenoids were removed/reinstalled several times to check the timing and one time to test the solenoids electrically. To determine if any applicable Federal, State or BMW Emissions Warranty coverage applies prior C. 131501 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable 131808 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ASE and BMW Master Certified Technician 09-28-2017, 07:33 PM #6 Ramos8553 Member Join Date Sep 2017 Connect scan tool to the 16-pin data link connector (DLC) located underneath the steering column. 2D57 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Position not reached Hey guys, I have a 2014 m235i and at work today I started my car and I got this code. I dont expect we will put more than 5-6k kilometers per year on it. With the engine running the function test for the exhaust and intake VANOS passes. Your really helpful : So how do I know when its time for a update. If governor works properly engine cant 9600 rpm. Code 130104 Vanos intake control fault camshaft stuck 131501 vanos inlet cold start not controllable and 120408 boost pressure control cut off pressure rise blocked 2011 x3. I know impulse sending wheels and camshaft they need to be lined up using a special tool. The oil and filter have always been genuine BMW. Changed the solenoid valves. Yes it should,,,,but sometimes some random faults might still be their, The service engine light has not cleared. Table 2 - Engine N20 and N26 Fault codes Model ISTA/P version / Target Integration Level All (see attachment) I12 2.53.0 / I001-14-07-500 or higher Fault codes Model ISTA/P version / Target Integration Level All (see attachment) except faults 2D55 or 131501 E84, E89 2.53.0 / E89X-14-07-500 or higher F10 2.53.2 / F010-14-07-503 or higher F15 . Thanks for responding. Hello and thank you for your various articles on the n20 engine. If I reach my finger in through oil filler cap with the engine off and cold, is it normal for there to be some slack in the timing chain on an N20? I know there has been a lot of people complaining to BMW NA about this problem,,,I think there is a case where people are trying to sue BMW over the timing chain issue,,,one of the problems is none of the other BMW have this problem only the N20-N26.